Her Captain’s Voice

is there a possibility that we pay only for work done and tow the ship back to india for refitting there? i m sure we can do the wiring and for armaments we can buy of shelve frm israel and france and uk. radars we can use our own or buy frm france. possible???

hi jujs,
Sorry for a delayed response. I am usually off in weekends. Yes, absolutely possible. Anything is possible only when both these govt talk and resolve on the issue before it gets hot. All these days the issue was just delays and financial problems and stuffs. But now its starting as a forest fire. Before its getting bigger, India should involve. Because more than a defense asset, Vikramadithya, an aircraft carrier is a matter of pride thing for any developing nation like India. Just think of a scenario that it again goes as Gorkshkov after a decade of waiting. How weird it will be and how bad it will be for Indians. Only thing that shuld happen immediately is India should react.

as mr white posted a link above and that says new carrier costs atround $ 4 billion according to that

v intially paid $ 800 million for refit and now russians want $ 1.2 billoion and the sum will b $ 2 billion so it is still half the price of new carrier so whats wrong in paying more money

finance ministry waved loan of worht $ 15 billion and 6 th pay commission and many more thing to fetch votes for next elections and thats what they care about but not for navy

loosing gorshkov is not acceptable now and this ship ship still cost half the price of new one after paying $ 1.2 billion

and for akula

problem with the russian lease of
nuke sub to india is that nuke subs can’t b transfered to other countries and if russians and indians publically acknowledge it there r fears that other nations will make fuss over it so better is to deny such comments and keep things in wraps and thats what india and russia is doing

it may happen that first russian navy first commission it and then it transfer it to indian navy \\

and also russia doesn’t want to loose one of its biggest arms buyer too

but when u look US and its allies u will c same things as v have with russia and thwere is also price hike and delays and tech transfer regarding american hard ware to other countries and they also face similar problems

US sometimes even refuses TOT for small things even with its closest ally UK

and israel ,austalia,s.korea and japan r not even allowed to buy except from US and that even at hefty price

but v also have things in our sleeves to play hard with russia like if they want future contracts like MRCA,AERIAL TANKER,P17A,6 DIESEL SUBS CONTRACT,PAK FA,FUTURE TANK FOR ARMY,200 LIGHT HELICOPTER CONTRACT AND MANY MORE or not so deliver nuke subs and gorky at decent price and honour the present contracts

but russian have similar problems with chinese as well

//v intially paid $ 800 million for refit and now russians want $ 1.2 billoion and the sum will b $ 2 billion so it is still half the price of new carrier so whats wrong in paying more money//

well, yes there are some wrong data in that article. Where as former Naval Chief Adm Arun Prakash considers this as a Blackmailing from Russian side. But he was the one who desperately needed gorrky for India during his tenure. Finance ministry is just doing its job and can be over driven anytime by a nod from PM. India will not let Gorky go off just like that. It is just a game of politics. If it doesnot happens and India accepts whatever pric hike they say, then it will not be good for future Indo-Russian defense procurements. Vikramadithya will be ours soon. Dont worry folks.

One more thing that India is fortune enough is the economic condition of our major Arms supplier. They are not in good condition to control their market. The buyer India is controlling its market, when considering the Indo-Russian partnerships. India ’s policy is Make hay while the Sunshines. But in the case of America, it is suppliers market. They can do whatever they want. Price is fixed by them and they have all the rights to control it. Thats why India fears having defense deals with America. But america always try to pull India as their customer by showing glamorous deals such as USS Kitty hawk, which India always avoid wisely. But things will not be same as like this. When Russia stand up from their economic pull-backs in future, things will happen against India like what america is doing to the other nations. Only solution for this not to happen is promoting indigenous works in-land sooner. Nobody can control indigenous works whatsoever.

As far as Nerpa is concerned, you are right. Transferring a Nuke-sub is not an easy task as an aircraft carrier. It has to be approved by nuclear advisory committees. and there are lot of pacts which can put thrust on such transfers.

thank you for ur reply. ok since u r a navy man what do u say about the new slbm india is developing that sengupta always talk about?

and by the way US is not reliable either cuz its driven by its own interests

v also have various cards to play with russia,if v depend on russia then russians depend on us more than v depend on them like i already said v have
PAK FA
P17A
FUTURE ARMY TANK
MRCA
6 DIESEL SUBMARINES TENDER
6 AERIAL TANKER TENDER
22 COMBAT HELICOPTER TENDER
medium airlift aircraft

AND ALL ABOVE things i mentioned costs much more than carrier but for some reason our govt. not playing hard ball with russians just tell them if they want any of these tender give gorky at decent price or they lost all these contracts

at first the french charge more money but after that they don’t ask for more and they honour the contracts and stick to what they say

I guess India will not play a hard ball against Russia as you said. Because both the governments depend on each other in arms deals of future. If everything goes wrong India cannot find yet another arms exporter who sells futuristic arms for such less cost. But Russia could find an importer who buys weapons as India do now.

Its better India play wisely in this move.